Rules for Recognition and Pini elves?

I say that we should still not allow any canon characters or their relatives. As mentioned, sometimes relatives can be played decently, but usually the whole thing is abused as ...ck.

I would advice a random draw, especially if people are incapable of forming Recognition deals on their own. If someone really truly does not want their character to Recognize, then they can be kept away from the draw. In one former place of mine an admin just decided all the Recognitions, but it seemed she allowed the Recognitions to herself and a couple of mods only.

I was never a big fan of including Pini elves into role play. People tend to play them wrong... or more like, everyone has a different interpretation of a character by the way they read and view certain things. Cutter (for an example) doesn't feel right if he were portrayed by anyone else other than Wendy or Richard. Even made-up relatives to canon characters make my skin crawl, but that is a personal preference. In short, I wish for the Pini elves to stay out and let everyone's personal imagination have some fun here. So far it has been interesting to read about the tribes the players have come up with.

I am all for a random out-of-the-hat draw when it comes to Recognition. It is the surprise which makes it interesting and it was mostly a surprise when it happened in canon (Redlance and Nightfall, you are excused). Some elves could be excluded from the draw if they have Recognized before or their player really doesn't wish for it to happen.

And I'll answer them from my point of view, yay!


Depends on what the people vote for. If they do not wish for Pini elves to be around, then it makes sense to not have them at all. The Pini elves have, thanks to the Palace, explored most of the world of Two Moons. How could they have overlooked all these unknown elven tribes? How could all these elves not have answered any calls coming from the Palace? Eventually, a tribe can no longer hide from Cutter freakin' Kin-seeker.
(You'll see me mention 'different dimensions' further in my post as a solution to that.)


That would depend on the player/creator of the tribe. The Sun folk, the Wolfriders, the Gliders and the Go-Backs all had a different theory to their heritage until the palace was actually found and Timmain revealed herself. The same would go for the Beacon Call tribes; they would have their own experiences, stories and history. The High Ones had to have come to the player tribe world though (how else would there be elves, right?) but in certain worlds their fate could have been different, their ship (the Palace) could have had a different shape, the amount of High Ones could have been more or less, etc etc. Everyone would have their own story for it.


So far it is multiple worlds. Keleero is from the world where Beacon Call takes place while my character is from a different world. Actually, I wouldn't call it a different world, but a different dimension. At least with a dimension, it can still take place on the very same planet, just with different events and also different time layers. If it were different worlds, the chances of there being alien races/being/creatures/cultures becomes a little too big and we go in The Rebels mode rather than the Elfquest we know. Space elves, weeeh.


Again, it would depend on the player and what they expect of the tribe they have created. The players and their characters DO NOT have to share what they know, but it would be interesting to see how others would view the culture differences.
- One tribe could have stumbled across the Palace and it may even have a different name or shape. The Palace is after all shaped like a palace/castle because the High Ones wanted to mimic the humans of the era they wished to visit and explore (before trolls went 'FU' and made the Palace crash).
- Another tribe may be completely oblivious to the Palace, unaware of its existence and still tells stories about how they came to be, slightly altered by time and the many mouths it has been told from.
- One tribe could even have a High One or two among their midst and be living within the Palace, like the Sun Folk do now.
The possibilities are endless when you are playing with multiple worlds BUT one thing would remain the same; the heritage of the High Ones before they settled on the player's world.


EDIT:
That said though... if people feel uncomfortable with there being too many different culture and histories, I myself am not against there being a decided history for us to play on or to have everyone come from the very same world/dimension to make it all easier for everyone. I am just enjoying the freedom in creativity we are getting in this Holt.

Jet-lagged, so I'll get into this discussion more deeply tomorrow, but I think several answers to questions being asked here can be found in this thread: beaconcallholt.freeforums.net/thread/2/holt-concept

Summary for this world is that it's not the world of the Pini elves, that this world's Palace was in a very very bad accident when it crashed which caused its pieces to be spread over different universes (thus making it possible for the Beacon to teleport in elves from all universes where the shards from that Palace landed) and thus there is nothing left of the Palace here except for the Beacon itself.

As for where our elves come from, the concept I had in mind was different worlds. Some (like Keleero and Silverthorn) can of course come from this planet and universe, but others (like No-Sting and Swift-Wind, to mention two) come from parallel universes. So yes, some High Ones surivived the horrible crash and fled, having no Palace to hide in, eventually becoming the ancestors for the Steepside Mountain elves and the Longvale elves (and possibly other tribes, if anyone wants to make one).

People with elves who're not from the Beacon Call universe can feel free to decide what their elf tribes know about the Palace and the High Ones of their world - though I think it's best if none of the elves who appear here have actually been in a Palace, much less flown in one, as that could lead to some huge power differences when it comes to both magic and knowledge.

Sorry for the sneaky, confused edit, I was really tired last night XD

I meant parallell universes. In other words, the Palace here exploded more or less (since it tried to fuse with a mountain, which is not advisable) - some of the shards from the Palace stayed in this world, embedded in the mountain like the beacon is. Most, however, flew into parallell universes.

That said, since the Palace can move in time as well as space, the shards can have landed in different times in said parallell universes. Thus, two elves here can come from the same other universe, but be from different times in said universe (the players of said elves of course have to agree on this for it to work).

As for technology the beacon can only teleport elves, elf-blooded animals, and whatever the elf-blooded people happen to be holding on to (i.e. Vareesi had her hawk on her arm and thus it got transported here too) - thus, there'll be no elves showing up in spaceships, whether the time they're from have them or not. But there are still of course pros and cons with allowing too "future-ish" elves, so I think I'll set up a new poll for that



That said, I think we all seem to be in agreement for no Pini elves and a random draw (that you can opt out of) for Recognition. Do people want there to be a Recognition soon-ish or should we wait a few (real time) months? What would be more "realistic"?

I think I'd rather wait on Recognition, too. There's already so much our elves are dealing with, and new characters coming in - better to wait until we're all a bit more settled, IC and OOC.