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Post by Panaetha on Sept 22, 2014 5:56:20 GMT 1
I am so with you on made up magics. I can see a connecting magic (in Oakleaf, we have a soilshaper who was grandfathered in, and a sandshaper, invented as an offshoot of rockshaping magic), but dreamweaving seems...creepy. Songshaping just seems weird (though that's an actual canon magic...I just have no idea how it works).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 6:21:55 GMT 1
LOL, Really?  ??? Song-shaping is a canon magic? Wow. Didn't know that, thanks. That actually is a nice solution. The soil-shaping I mean, and the sand-shaping, I mean I had something similar with a rockshaper of mine, though he could earth-shape or garden without digging a hole, which is what he did besides shaping caves for dens and the like. I am so reminded of Avatar the Last Air-bender right now. XD. Hilarious. I mean metal-bending, metal-shaping, sand-shaping, sand-bending. Too funny comparison. |
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Post by Sofia on Sept 22, 2014 6:35:01 GMT 1
Bone-Shaping as an individual magic is meant to be used on "dead" bones. To be able to use it on a living creature without killing said creature requiers strong/excellent or excellent skill (or the assistance of a Healer).
Using it on living creatures would be pretty pointless most of the time though, as you'd only be able to "mend" bones and not the tissue and blood vessle damage around the break. The possible use I could see would be a "weaker" Healer asking for assistance with fixing a broken bone, guiding the Bone-Shaper, and then mending the rest of the injuries themself.
To be able to change a living creature's shape and then have it survive and live on, you need to shape more than bones so you'd need to be a strong Healer and a Flesh-Shaper both.
"Mind healing" is confusingly enough called Shielding btw (according to my ElfQuest dice RPG book) while actual shielding is called Force Shield... I think. I need to double check that after work.
Dreamweaving I've heard of once in a Holt, but I never got what it was suppose to do. All I can think of is how Winnowill taught the Chosen Eight to "feed" on other elves' dreams, but I've always thought of that as a form of Mind-Snare.
When was Songshaping mentioned in canon? I must have missed it.
And yes, let's avoid inventing "brand new" magic, but I see no problem in inventing off-shoots of the already establised ones (i.e. Sand-Shaping from Rock-Shaping and such things).
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Post by Panaetha on Sept 22, 2014 7:02:36 GMT 1
Thanks for the clarification on boneshaping. That's how I'd thought of it as well; in Oakleaf, we call it coralshaping, because currently, only Wavedancers have it, and since coral reefs are made from dead coral, it kind of removes the confusion.
You're right about shielding and force shield. I thought that was odd...I'd rather just call force shielding Shielding, and Mind Healing...Mind Healing. Makes more sense. *laughs*
Songshaping is actually apocryphal...it's in one of the BoTC novels or something. The first songshaper was called...Songshaper. They said his songs were healing. I would personally prefer to just have regular healers. XD Skyfire might have also been mated to a songshaper, as he lured her in with his singing voice and never sent or spoke. So then it sounds like hypnosis? Meh. Silly magic.
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Post by Sofia on Sept 22, 2014 7:24:55 GMT 1
I'll start a new thread for a magic specific discussion later tonight so we can all help define what magic we want and don't want in this Holt + how we think said magic should work (i.e. what can a weak level Healer do) and what they should be called. I chose to call Coral-Shaping Bone-Shaping so the player who chose that magic wouldn't have to defend their ability to shape dead bones  |
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Post by goldenbraid on Oct 16, 2014 8:25:38 GMT 1
Well as the elf in the game with animal mimicry, i guess i should put in my two cents on this.... as my understanding of it goes, animal mimicry is not bonding, it is a sort of sense illusion where the user convinces the animal(s) that he/she is a member of their species/group... ie the elf is seen as 'acceptable'. At higher levels, it becomes more of a charm thing, convinces the animal(s) that the elf is an 'alpha' of their kind and should be listened to/followed.... ie, goldenbraid if she had more control of her magic could approach a wolf pack and be considered another wolf, possible member of the pack, at a higher level, she could make them believe she is an alpha member and pack leader. Yes, potencially powerful, but it is not bonding..... in fact i believe that was the decision that bond animals, becauase of their connection to their elves, are able to resist better the mimicry power... just as elves with animal blood feel a bit more accepting towards her, but still have the freedom to form their own choice of like/dislike and opinions of her.... So i say one bonding only, even for animal mimicry elves..... my only suggestion of a possible edge is that with the multi-species of bond animals in the tribe is that maybe if bond of the normal species is not availible, the animal mimicry elf might be able to bond with a member of one of the other availible types...?? A thought....  |
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Post by Panaetha on Oct 16, 2014 8:50:08 GMT 1
Well, in regards to Teir, he had a whole pack of wolves following him around. I don't mean to suggest that anyone should be that powerful here, but there's definitely a possibility for more than one of that sort of bond, I think. It's definitely not bonding in the regular sense...Teir's wolves were pretty useless as a pack, if I remember correctly, because they relied on him so heavily. Because, as you've stated goldenbraid, animal mimicry is different from animal bonding, I don't think Goldenbraid should be able to form the same sort of bonding with an animal that isn't a wolf (because she's a Wolfrider, yes?). I think she could mimic another species, certainly...but for her to bond with a creature she doesn't share ancestral blood with because of her mimicry powers seems to make it like mimicry and bonding are the same I think she could form other relationships with other animals because of her mimicry, but not bond. The blood has to be there. Since they're separate, I would think it would be fine for Goldenbraid to bond traditionally with a wolf, but have mimicry-style relationships with other creatures...the number of creatures at one time would depend on how skilled a mimic she is. If she can't have a bondbeast AND use her powers on other creatures, it makes her magic pretty moot, or makes her unable to bond with a wolf, which doesn't seem fair. |
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??? Song-shaping is a canon magic? Wow. Didn't know that, thanks. That actually is a nice solution. The soil-shaping I mean, and the sand-shaping, I mean I had something similar with a rockshaper of mine, though he could earth-shape or garden without digging a hole, which is what he did besides shaping caves for dens and the like. 
